January, 2006:
Coffee – Day 1
“If we have everything but have not… doctrine?”
The church my Father attends and preaches at holds a discussion period – an adult Sunday School if you will – immediately following the sermon. I wish more churches did this since I always find it is a great time to both find out what other people are thinking and to share a bit about what you think. A older, veteran missionary couple, people I have a great respect for, sat in on the service and the following discussion period today.
He posed the question “Why do you think so many of our youth lose their way and abandon their faith while in university?”
Several possible reasons were offered. The first was that we don’t pray for them enough, which is likely true but to me doesn’t address the fact that if they are going in unprepared, prayer may make them them bolder in their faith (which is good) but it will not suddenly cause them to be prepared. Preparation happens by way of years of both overt and nuanced conversations, experiences, and being specifically taught. It comes through years of rubbing shoulders with those in our society who believe strongly and differently and whom you will eventually face anyway, so why not start them young? We all as parents want to protect our children from negative influences, and that again is good intent, but are we really protecting them when we rob them of those experiences that will test their faith and give them a first look at the real world or are we actually shielding them from a battle they need to learn to fight for their own good?
It is much like the parent who allows the over-aged and fiscally irresponsible child to live with them, abusing what they meant as a helping hand, and somewhat inadvertently allowing him to proliferate his incompetence. Whether out of sympathy or what the parent believes to be love, this is clearly not true love. It might make the parent feel better, thinking that they are ‘helping out during a tough time’ but it is certainly not an avenue by which the child will have to eventually face the harsh reality of his actions and bear the consequences that come because of them. And because of that, by enabling the child to continue in his way with no serious attempt at correction, the parents are reducing the likelihood of his redemption; they are essentially stepping in the way of God’s plan.
My opinion on the matter is that there is a lack of intellectual preparation in the lives of most Christian youth. This is the fault of both the Church and the parents. From my personal experience, observing those of my friends who went to university, it was the first time that their faith faced any serious challenges. Youth from Christian homes spend their share of time in Church services, youth events, and some in Christian schools, but still too many of them have no strategy to face the world they inevitably will have to face, a world that will in most cases be opposed to almost everything they have known as normal.
Somehow the discussion turned to friendship evangelism, the need to show love rather than condemnation, and the importance of being good examples for our children. One man said that maybe making an intellectual defense of faith was not for everyone. If that is the case, I suggest that people who feel they are not thus predisposed never attend a university at all. Certainly it is true that some over-intellectualize their faith (I am probably one of them) and that some who are not overly inclined toward intellectualism will be wonderful examples of Christ’s love in factories and fields, but the question was about universities, and one goes to a university to expand and sharpen the intellect, so I think it is appropriate to expect any university student who professes a faith in Christ to be able to make an intellectual defense of that faith.
The visiting missionary was given a chance to rebut but squandered the opportunity on a very diplomatic “I agree with everything that was said here but…”. He was concerned with the lack of doctrine being taught to our youth (I am too); he was concerned that so few people even bother to bring their Bibles to church any more (I am too); he was alarmed at the low level at which the average Christian seems to function (I am too), but he kept coming back to doctrine.
At some point near the end of his comment, while he was essentially reneging on his earlier commitment to diplomacy by disagreeing with a number of ideas just shared, he proclaimed emphatically “If we don’t have doctrine, we have nothing!” and this immediately struck me as the ironic opposite of doctrine itself because it brought to memory Chapter Thirteen of St. Paul’s First Letter to the Corinthians where he says:
And if I have prophetic powers,
and understand all mysteries and all knowledge,
and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains,
but have not love,
I am nothing.
Paul doesn’t say love PLUS doctrine, or love PLUS faith, in fact he says that doctrine and faith are nothing if they are not empowered and delivered with love. Now, I know what this godly and respectable man was getting at – it’s the half-hearted or misdirected love that I described above, the thin form of love that claims itself to be a substitute for, rather than an enabler of faith and doctrine. But still, it seems ironic to me that he would place doctrine itself rather than love as the prime precursor as doctrine actually teaches.
As an addendum, this was followed by someone else with a view of an ecumenism that belittles doctrine and a comment about how foolish people think that unity can be found by saying specific doctrine really isn’t as important as we’ve made it out to be. It was stated, once again emphatically that “Real unity is found in strong doctrine!”, but in a very literal way, with plenty of available examples, this attitude has caused far more division than unity. The stronger and more defined a doctrine is, and the more adamant about the absolute truth of that doctrine the person who believes it is, the less chance there is of that person finding unity with anyone. We can split the hairs (and heirs) of our doctrinal heads until none of us believes anything exactly alike; this has been proven over and over again.
Peter Kreeft, Professor of Philosophy at Boston College gave a lecture about ecumenism some time ago called “Ecumenism Without Compromise” that I think is worth listening to. Let me know what you think. —-> click here
“Radical Anabaptists”
A CONFESSION
Those of you who have known me in the past would now find me far more on the conservative side of most things than I ever would have been in the past. This whole study of church history is one that has greatly increased my respect for the historical aspects of both church and society… thus, I believe our history is important… thus, I want to conserve (or preserve) as much of it as is necessary to right the wrongs in our current society.
There you go: I am a conservative. Please forgive my previous liberal and/or communist and/or anti-capitalist leanings. It is another example of something I needed to get to the end of before I could decide what I thought about it. One thing rings true in almost everything I do… in the words of Marshall McLuhan : “I don’t know what I think until I’ve said it.”
To whom then am I referring when I make references to “conservative sects”, “neo-Ananbaptists” or “radical Anabaptists”? When I use these terms I am referring to groups like the one mentioned in my blog entry entitled “Basking in the Aftermath” – especially take note of the section which begins “The strategy of these groups (in this case what I would describe as conservative neo-Anabaptist)…”
Often when we try to separate too completely the spiritual and the physical, we create an unhealthy dichotomy between the two. That is in fact, as I see it, although to a far more extreme degree, the main pitfall of Anabaptist theology. Marshall McLuhan again: “The seventeenth-century Protestants abandoned the world and the flesh to the Devil and packed up for Zion. They found the climate there impossible and returned to earth only to discover that the Devil had been making hay.” [pullquote]“The seventeenth-century Protestants abandoned the world and the flesh to the Devil and packed up for Zion. They found the climate there impossible and returned to earth only to discover that the Devil had been making hay.”[/pullquote]
That is still true today and they still refuse to live in this world, separating themselves to a degree that they can have no effect on the world apart form launching the occasional missive about how bad and corrupt not just the world is, but how bad and corrupt the rest of us “Christians” are.
When you say that you have no doubt that we do do these things (sports, movies, imbibing) for ourselves, I hope that you would agree that the sin in those things is if we do them ONLY for ourselves and in a spirit of rebellion in which we acknowledge that they are bad but do them anyway. Of course we do those things partly for ourselves – that is what is means to take care of yourself and I don’t think it is impossible to properly partake of any of those activities without also growing in Christ at the same time.
If there are times, and I would say they are extremely rare BUT STILL NOT JUSTIFIED, that we indulge too far in any of these and sin, it is incumbent on us first to repent, and then to learn to control that which we have trouble controlling, not to cease taking part in it (not permanently anyway). To me that is like asking your child to stop riding his bike because he falls off occasionally. Riding a bike is good and useful, and with proper training and guidance it will yield him great advantages. [pullquote]To me that is like asking your child to stop riding his bike because he falls off occasionally. Riding a bike is good and useful, and with proper training and guidance it will yield him great advantages.[/pullquote]
SPORTS
Sports are useful because they are a microcosm of life that is contained in a physical space in an abbreviated time. There are enormous spiritual and practical life lessons to be learned. It IS possible. In the space of one game there are numerous opportunities to practice self-control, restraint, kindness, encouragement and to learn discipline.
Is there a tendency to idolize professional sports? Absolutely, you need only refer to my own recent missive regarding the Promise Keepers mentality to know that I recognize that. But again, is the fact that something can be idolized a good reason to forsake it completely?
I don’t believe it is and this is what I was trying to get at in my post: these Anabaptists will shun anything that can be idolized absolutely, no questions, but challenge them to forsake the very thing that is most idolized, not just in present society but in all of history, and they have to start making amendments to their theology. That thing is sex.
Are many people addicted? Yes. Does that mean we should ban it? No, I don’t think anyone would argue that. So you must apply the same principle to all of these other activities: are they really bad intrinsically or because sinful principles have been applied to them?
Can one play sports without sinning? Yes, I can give you many irrefutable examples of this.
Can one consume alcohol without sinning? Yes, but admittedly it is a tougher one to control.
Can one watch a movie without sinning? Yes, I rarely watch a movie that I do not think can have some positive spiritual effect on me or illuminate some truth to me. Its why I rarely watch comedies.
Can we ever do anything without occasionally sinning? No, not on this side of heaven.
THINGS OF THE WORLD
“They were avoiding all things of the world. Does not the Bible warn us of such things?”
It certainly does, and if you look closely it speaks in principles, not in very many particulars. It would be easier in a sense if it had defined the things of this world as sports, movies, and alcohol, wouldn’t it? But it doesn’t. What we are trying to learn is how to make these things useful for God’s glory and how to avoid becoming engrossed in them for their own sake or for the sake of our sinful fleshly desires.
“However, when we focus on things other than God, we are in a sense “avoiding” fellowship with God.”
Absolutely, but what are the things you are thinking of that are “other than God”? They would have to be things that are intrinsically bad. I would say that these are principles rather than practices with the caveat that some practices are by design biased toward evil.
The things that the Bible says are intrinsically bad are greed, lust, envy, etc. Some practices are difficult, if not impossible to participate in without engaging these intrinsic evils. I think this is where the admonishment not to judge comes in. It seems some are more prone to certain intrinsic evils than others, but don’t we often try to formulate a universal prohibition regarding the areas in which we are the weakest?
Some can be rich and not sin; others cannot be rich without sinning. They gloat, they bully, they use their privilege to cause others misery. Those who can be rich and not sin because of it should go ahead and be rich! Some can look at a nude human form and see beauty (Europeans seem to be much better at this than we are) without lusting while others cannot look at a human form, clothed or not, without lusting!
“Deciding for ourselves a biblical interpretation that suits our own agendas?”
If it is not for us to decide, then for whom is it? So far you have somehow (miraculously! LOL) avoided getting me started on the deficiencies of the Protestant Reformation and the logical extremes of the outcomes we see around us.
[pullquote]The destructive, hyper-speed individualism is what drives many of the societal deficiencies you have been noting.[/pullquote] The destructive, hyper-speed individualism is what drives many of the societal deficiencies you have been noting. Now don’t take that as me saying “Na-na-na, Catholicism is better,” because that’s not my point. There is a great tradition of Protestant thought as well that strikes against what modern day Protestantism has become, but the ‘each man is to decide by his own conscience what to believe’ philosophy that exploded out of the Reformation has done immeasurable damage to both church and society at large.
I agree that we should curb activities that reduce or eliminate our capacity to fellowship with God. I have taken many steps in that direction in the last while and it does enable more focus on family and more time for fellowship with God.
What I found though, as I did venture into this strain of Anabaptist theology for a time, is that my life was not enriched at all by trying to eliminate every carnal (by their definition) activity – in fact, my life was becoming impoverished, law-bound and I was becoming, as the old cliche goes “So heavenly minded that I was no earthly good.”
As long as you see the things you mentioned as concessions rather than blessings and opportunities, you will not be able to see how God can be found in and through them when they are properly used.
More on persecution (not moron persecution)
Is persecution the cure?
There seems to be a “lack of persecution” element at work in the North American Church. Historically, when the church is persecuted it grows the most and currently we know that fewer and fewer people in North America are finding church a worthwhile cause. When the best examples of persecution we can muster involve things like the approval of gay marriage, naughty words in the movies, and taking the morning prayer out of our public schools, I think it is safe to say that from an historical perspective we are not persecuted at all. If I may digress for just a moment… the problem is not that we CAN’T pray in public, its that we DON’T pray in private.
“If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.” It has been reasoned by some that since we are not persecuted, we are not truly followers of Christ (and its not just the JW’s either). Others reason that we must generate persecution as proof of our membership in the true body of Christ. This becomes a tricky task when you live in a country founded on the very same principles for which Christians were once persecuted and even put to death.
We spend far more time complaining about what we are not allowed to say in the public square than we spend saying what we can.
A short story in short chapters

Cue the beat track…something funky now. This is the new muzak and that to which I, as a sometime musician, am to aspire to if I want to live in a mansion on a hill overlooking my over-amused and entertainment abused constituency. I will be their king; my music will be the air they breathe. I will rule their conscious and sub-conscious minds, until all monies either given or received make their way to my coffers. The poor peasants won’t even know they’re paying me, so ubiquitous will I be. I will be a corporation unto myself. I will be both head and body, but I will never find my soul.
Robby
Many cars go by the window I am looking out of. Lots of Mustangs, lots of Saturns. People pass too. People in green tracksuits; people with winter coats and hats; people who look homeless and some who look merely poor and one wanderer who looks lost on purpose. Robbie walks by, delivering his newspapers. Its no wonder he’s so fit, he walks endlessly from one end of this town to the other nearly every day of the year. Somewhere along the way Robbie lost a good chunk of his intellectual capacity – or maybe he was born that way, I don’t know him well enough to know which. I wonder how I could ask him – "Hey Robbie, have you always been this way or were you….?" yeah, which word to use next… And he’d look at me with his sincere and perpetually beaming and happy face and ask what I’m talking about.
Robbie must be pushing 60 by now, and for as long as I’ve been in this town he’s been on a sidewalk somewhere faithfully delivering the local paper – always happy, always greeting the people he passes on his way. I wonder what he was like as a younger man and as a child. I’m certain an entire Forrest Gump-like novel could come of asking him, if only there was time to write it.
Towels or Curtains?
Across the street, in the apartments above the bus station, the tenant uses beach towels for curtains. One is flat burgundy and the other displays the heroic looking front forks of a Harley Davidson motorcycle and the head of a wolf bathed in the blue glow of a full moon. What am I to make of the juxtaposition of these images? A wolf bathed in blue moonlight, whose head is bigger than an entire motorcycle; a motorcycle crudely drawn behind the wolf and moon that appears to be near photo quality. Maybe there is no message in this art. Art? I’m pondering a Harley Davidson beach towel for goodness sake… There isn’t nearly as much to say about the flat burgundy towel/curtain except that the owner of that apartment must have considerably less interest in wolves, blue moons, and motorbikes.
There are small chimes above the bike-moon-wolf curtain/towel and I immediately wonder if the tenants ever point a fan at those chimes to make them sing.
The facade of the bus stop below the apartments hasn’t been updated since sometime in the 1970′s.

Promise Keepers ™
A Promise Keepers event is a multi-day pre-game rally speech, tuned for and delivered to the man who loves football and wrestling (and baseball…and basketball…and…). Oh how we sang and embraced that weekend, not out of sincere love for our fellow men but because there were those around us who were willing to hug and if we didn’t hug back, what did that say about us? Were we hypersensitive homophobes unwilling to admit even the shallowest tinge of brotherly love? So it just seemed easier to reciprocate when embraced so we would not be castigated…as if hugging total strangers was a mark that we were finally becoming that sensitive hero-man that every woman desires…as if random attempts at intimacy would push that first icy domino into the second and so on until we were giant thawed lumps of emotional accessibility. And before we knew it the miles and miles of emotional barrier dominoes would fall, one after another, sweeping away our emotional bondage, sexual deficiencies, and eradicating the wussy-like, limp-fisted "leadership" we had unknowingly been subjecting our families to. It didn’t work for me. Can’t they set these things up with "guys on the verge of an emotional breakdown" over there and the rest of us "I’m doing just fine, thanks" guys over here? Is it really necessary to subject those of us who are secure enough in our manhood to the sobbing embraces of some emotionally manipulated former running back?
The endless football and baseball metaphors were really too much. I mean the first couple "worked" for me but after the third metaphor by the fifth speaker of the day was on its way I had long since tuned out. "Life… is like a football game…" followed by "You see, life is like a baseball game…", men everywhere salivating at the impending payoff: a spiritual lesson as they’ve never heard it before, all wrapped up in a sports metaphor. Genius! How could no one have thought of this before? Really, the last time I heard such wisdom was in the company of an intellectual giant who started many of his life lesson stories with the metaphor "Life is like a box of chocolates…"
Is this how to get a bunch of men excited about their spiritual lives? God only asks that we "consult the playbook" before we "throw the ball" and if we do we’re sure to "score a touchdown" and presumably perform some sort of victory jive dance. Well dumb it down a little more my friend because I do believe you’re getting through to me.
Where is the Promise Keepers for non-sports-addicts, where the keynote speaker starts his talks with something like "Christ is the medium AND the message…"? Some thoughtful songwriter, reflecting on God from the trenches of life, could do the music. I don’t need a former athlete or Christian celebrity to open my eyes to something I’ve never seen before; books, good music, and deep personal relationships already do that for me. I want to be challenged in both my intellect and my spirit. I don’t want to be pumped too quickly full of spiritual helium in an emotional moment, knowing that I cannot sustain the pressure of the air and waiting to pop a few weeks later. I’ve been on this flight before. The reality is that my balloon pops and then I try to tape the hole and get myself blown back up again. My balloon is almost all tape by now. Maybe yours is still without holes. Good for you, I hope it stays that way.
Maybe Promise Keepers helps those guys I’ve spoken unkindly about above. Maybe after the rally, they progress towards a deeper understanding and a more firm faith. And maybe the next time they attend a rally it will seem a little shallow to them. Maybe…but I’d really like to see the evidence.
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