My friend Nick Fox is also doing a series on Dawkins at his blog.
I am trying to read all 374 pages of The God Delusion and comment along the way; Nick is taking the easy way out and commenting on various interviews with Dawkins. (joking)
it's a good thing I like to dance
My friend Nick Fox is also doing a series on Dawkins at his blog.
I am trying to read all 374 pages of The God Delusion and comment along the way; Nick is taking the easy way out and commenting on various interviews with Dawkins. (joking)
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Mark Driscoll – not your typical
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A very useful list of blogging resources .
Scot McKnight offers some advice about blogging.
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James Hannam at Bede’s Journal takes a look at Richard Dawkins’ “The God Delusion”
Michael Spencer (The Internet Monk) takes a look at the king of criticality, Ken Silva.
Teach Your Children Well
Dawkins hypothesis of why someone like me is of the same religion as my parents involves what he calls “childhood indoctrination.”
“If you were born in Arkansas and you think Christianity is true and Islam is false, knowing full well that you would think the opposite if you had been born in Afghanistan, you are the victim of childhood indoctrination.”
I think this hypothesis is largely disproved by the significant growth of Christianity in non-Christian nations like India and China. Pretty close to none of the Christians in those countries were born into Christianity.
In assuming that all faith is blind faith he misses the fact that many Christians have struggled, as I have, long and hard to ensure the faith of their parents is a reasonable one. Dawkins impression of Christians as indoctrinated photocopies of their former generation is accurate in one sense – there are indeed many Christians who are just that – but to label all Christians mindless twits is a great error.
I can’t help thinking here of the useful practice of the Bruderhof Anabaptist sect that sends their young adults “into the world” for a minimum of one year before they are allowed to decide whether or not to become members of the community. I read of this practice some years ago in Time or Newsweek and it has remained in my memory as a unique, risky, and useful concept. I believe it would go a long way toward combating both nominalism and the type of blind faith that is likely to fall apart at the first sniff of a challenge.
Dawkins insists that there is no such thing as a Muslim child or a Christian child, but rather that these are children of Muslim parents or Christian parents. “Children are too young to know where they stand on such issues, just as they are too young to know where they stand on economics or politics.” This is a point of some shallowness in his thinking.
The reasoning on the part of many parents goes something like: “I’m not going to bias my kids with my beliefs. I’m going to let them figure that out for themselves.” To me this is a gross mismanagement of parenting responsibility. They will be influenced one way or another and all one is conveying with this “non-influence” stand is that all the searching in life has not led them to anything they want to pass on.
I do agree that children raised under a certain belief system having all other systems withheld will be ill prepared to face the world. My children will be exposed to many viewpoints but I will certainly be passing on to them what I’ve learned along the way. As a responsible parent can I really abandon them in their intellectually formative years to make an unaided decision?
That idea of an unaided decision is a fallacy anyway because children don’t make many unaided decisions – you will either primarily aid them or they will be aided by someone who is not you, and at that point what was the point of your parenting, or your lifetime of learning for that matter?
The Dawkins Challenge – “Hey you idiot – read my book!”
“If this book works as I intend, religious readers who open it will be atheists when they put it down… Of course, dyed-in-the-wool faith-heads are immune to argument, their resistance built up over years of childhood indoctrination using methods that took centuries to mature. Among the more effective immunological devices is a dire warning to avoid even opening a book like this, which is surely a work of Satan.”
Dawkins’ ego is obviously fully evolved. The above statement he describes as “presumptuous optimism”; I am more likely to describe it as “arrogant hyperbole”, but to each his own.
Must we resort immediately to name-calling? “Dyed-in-the-wool faith-heads are immune to argument”? Does Dawkins really expect those he berates to read his book? On one hand his greatest wish is for these “faith-heads” to pick up his book, read it, and then become Atheists. On the other hand, if you are a “faith-head” do you want to read much further? Its like he’s saying “Hey you idiot – read my book!”
Maybe I am in a unique case. I am a member of a large and rather conservative church, but I heard about this book because my Pastor quoted from it in a couple of his sermons and encouraged me to read it as well. He’s read the whole thing and wrestled with its claims – and he made it through without becoming an Atheist. Thank God for that.
Of course Dawkins probably feels largely justified in his approach because he has been approached by numerous Christians with the same attitude, trying to convert him. I have to say that he probably is justified in that sense, but two wrongs, as they say, do not make a right, and he comes off as a bit of a fanatic. We’ll see if this continues – if it does this could be a long read.
***To read earlier parts of this series go to the Richard Dawkins page***
***This post is part of a series on Richard Dawkins’ book “The God Delusion”.***
I should start by saying that I’m not that familiar with Atheism. Of course I’ve met many people who have no specific belief in God, but not many who believed specifically that there is no God. So as I walk through these pages and make comments and reflections on their content, don’t assume that I have my anti-Atheist arguments all loaded and ready to launch. I don’t.
Why am I reading this book? Well, I sense that more people than ever are going beyond ceasing to believe in God and are openly proclaiming that they believe there is no God. This is something new as a mass phenomenon and so, as a Christian, I expect to meet more people in the coming years who claim Atheism as their belief of choice. I want to be ready for that conversation.
“But I didn’t know I could”
Dawkins begins:
“As a child, my wife hated her school and wished she could leave.” Years later when she related this unfortunate fact to her parents they asked why she didn’t tell them earlier and she replied “But I didn’t know I could.”
He delivers this as if it is a scandalously telling statement that covers the multitudes trapped in a religion, who are unhappy but do not know that leaving that religion is an option. “If you are one of them,” he says, “this book is for you.”
This book then is not for me, but I think he means it to be. I have continued in the religion of my parents but I was neither forced to continue nor did I ever feel like I didn’t have permission to question it – that is to explore truth and, if found someplace else, to follow where it lead. So I cannot identify with Dawkins when he says “…to be an Atheist is a realistic aspiration, and a brave and splendid one,” although I can see how such a pursuit could require a great deal of courage.
“Killing – and profiting – in the name of…”
The one rather tired argument against both Atheism and religion is “Look at what has been done in the name of…” and Dawkins gets to it on the first page of the preface, listing everything from 9/11 to witch-hunts to the actions of the Taliban as the fault of religion. From a Christian perspective – I cannot answer for the others – this is a rather easy argument to counter: not all who claim to be really are.
I didn’t expect Dawkins to introduce this tactic quite so early. If we’re looking for extreme cases, I can site examples like Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong as atheists who did their share of damage to humanity.
My point is this: any idea with currency, including religion and Atheism, will be exploited until it is no longer useful. When we see someone do something in the name of a particular religion, too often the religion in whose name the person acts is only a means to an end – that end usually being financial gain.
And it is not so only with religion. Think of the fashion counterfeiters in Asia and closer to home in our big cities. They can emblazon a very ordinary article of clothing with a brand name like Hilfiger or Nike and then sell it for far more than its worth. In this way a $0.50 shirt can become a $20.00 shirt by adding $0.25 worth of print.
Does this make clothing bad? Is Nike or Hilfiger at fault? In the same way, what cause cannot be enriched by invoking religion – especially in America? That religion has become more of a brand with benefits than a way of life is certainly not the fault of the religion itself but rather of those who use its currency to further their personal agendas.
Go to the next part of this series – Part 2
Scot McKnight is a voice I have come to trust on matters relating to the emerging/emergent church movement. He has a talent for being part of the EC movement and remaining objective about its flaws.
A regular feature of his blog (“Jesus Creed”) is “Letters to Emerging Christians” where he writes public responses to personal letters he receives.
In this post Scot talks about what the liberal, evangelical, and emerging movements each fear. In this short piece I think Scot nails the essence of each movement. Read some the 100+ comments the post received . There is some good writing there too.


I am a big Dilbert fan. Dilbert creator Scott Adams has a blog which is always, pretty much 98% of the time, hilarious. Today’s post “God for Weasels” is no exception.
It starts: “One of the great things about being ignorant is that I often think my ideas are original. It’s a wonderful feeling. That’s why I try to avoid any knowledge that would spoil the sensation. Sometimes it isn’t easy. People keep hurling knowledge at me, and I can’t always duck.”
It was a timely one too since I just read about Einstein and Spinoza at lunchtime while reading The God Delusion.
Enjoy!
I’ve been going through my journals, looking for forgotten songs to take out and record for my next album. I’m into the fall of 2005 now and it was a particularly dark time for me. Indeed, some of the words I wrote then cannot be displayed anywhere other than where they are – on paper in my journal.
I found these few parts that I obviously wrote to Madeleine:
I see your picture
I see leaves that need raking
You’re standing at the window, you wait for me to play
But I close my eyes and try to slip away
I have no will to act
I have no deeds to earn your interest
A hug is always waiting for the excitement of my arrival
Your affection is the fuel of my survival
I’m trying not to pass this on to you
So I bury it much deeper than I should
But what am I teaching you? Plastic smiles?
My soul defiles the goodness showered on it
Guilty at the start
I take your tiny hands and leech your strength
You’re passing me your energy, you wait for me to play
But I close my eyes and try to slip away
CS Lewis Quote
I am often puzzled at the willingness of Conservative Evangelicals to throw in a CS Lewis or GK Chesterton quote here and there. Chesterton was of course a Catholic convert and Lewis an Anglican who believed in some sort of purgatory after death. He also believed that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, when practiced in their purity, shared common space. What follows is from a letter he wrote to someone who had recently converted to Catholicism:
Thank-you to Michael Spencer at internetmonk.com for the quote.