Comments on: Mark Driscoll on… Rick Warren http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/05/31/mark-driscoll-on-rick-warren/ Religion, Music, Art, Politics Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:15:48 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Michael Krahn http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/05/31/mark-driscoll-on-rick-warren/comment-page-1/#comment-3976 Michael Krahn Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:10:37 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/05/31/mark-driscoll-on-rick-warren/#comment-3976 @Phil Cotnoir: Agreed. @Phil Cotnoir: Agreed.

]]> By: Phil Cotnoir http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/05/31/mark-driscoll-on-rick-warren/comment-page-1/#comment-3974 Phil Cotnoir Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:15:54 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/05/31/mark-driscoll-on-rick-warren/#comment-3974 This kind of open cooperation breathes life into already strained relationships between those of different theological or ministry-philosophy persuasions... and it is good. Very good. This kind of open cooperation breathes life into already strained relationships between those of different theological or ministry-philosophy persuasions… and it is good. Very good.

]]> By: Michael Krahn http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/05/31/mark-driscoll-on-rick-warren/comment-page-1/#comment-1487 Michael Krahn Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:26:30 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/05/31/mark-driscoll-on-rick-warren/#comment-1487 a) What is Driscoll "recalling" here? b) Probably not. Below are quotes from his book "Vintage Jesus": [93] The Old Testament both quietly implies and loudly prophesies the virgin birth of Jesus. The writers of the New Testament go to painstaking detail to emphasize that in every way Jesus’ mother, Mary, was a virgin woman who conceived Jesus solely through a miracle of God the Holy Spirit. [96] Jesus was without sin and did not have a sin nature, not because Mary was without sin, but because he was protected by a miracle of the Holy Spirit in a way that was similar to the miracles of God, making Adam from dust and granting Sarah the ability to conceive Isaac. [97] Dr Al Mohler has said… Christians must face the fact that a denial of the virgin birth is a denial of Jesus as the Christ. The Savior who died for our sins was none other than the baby who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, and born of a virgin. One popular young pastor named Rob Bell speculates that if “Jesus had a real earthly biological father named Larry, and archaeologists find Larry’s tomb and do DNA samples and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the virgin birth was really just a bit of mythologizing the Gospel writers threw in to appeal to the followers of the Mithra and Dionysian religious cults that were hugely popular at the time,” then we would essentially not lost any significant part of our faith because it is more about how we live. [99] If we lose the virgin birth, we do lose the very core of what it means to be Christian because we diminish the trustworthiness of Scripture, Jesus and the witness of his own mother. [100] Mary is not to be our object of faith, but rather our example of faith in Jesus. Mary is a wonderful example for all Christians, particularly women, and especially young women. She obviously loved God, and, while not sinless like her son, she did live in holiness as marked by her virginity until marriage. She is an inspiring example that our sexually promiscuous culture desperately needs to have modelled through women like her. We all need to follow her example of humble faith that fully trusted God’s will for her life. a) What is Driscoll “recalling” here?

b) Probably not. Below are quotes from his book “Vintage Jesus”:

[93]

The Old Testament both quietly implies and loudly prophesies the virgin birth of Jesus. The writers of the New Testament go to painstaking detail to emphasize that in every way Jesus’ mother, Mary, was a virgin woman who conceived Jesus solely through a miracle of God the Holy Spirit.

[96]

Jesus was without sin and did not have a sin nature, not because Mary was without sin, but because he was protected by a miracle of the Holy Spirit in a way that was similar to the miracles of God, making Adam from dust and granting Sarah the ability to conceive Isaac.

[97]

Dr Al Mohler has said… Christians must face the fact that a denial of the virgin birth is a denial of Jesus as the Christ. The Savior who died for our sins was none other than the baby who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, and born of a virgin.

One popular young pastor named Rob Bell speculates that if “Jesus had a real earthly biological father named Larry, and archaeologists find Larry’s tomb and do DNA samples and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the virgin birth was really just a bit of mythologizing the Gospel writers threw in to appeal to the followers of the Mithra and Dionysian religious cults that were hugely popular at the time,” then we would essentially not lost any significant part of our faith because it is more about how we live.

[99]

If we lose the virgin birth, we do lose the very core of what it means to be Christian because we diminish the trustworthiness of Scripture, Jesus and the witness of his own mother.

[100]

Mary is not to be our object of faith, but rather our example of faith in Jesus.

Mary is a wonderful example for all Christians, particularly women, and especially young women. She obviously loved God, and, while not sinless like her son, she did live in holiness as marked by her virginity until marriage. She is an inspiring example that our sexually promiscuous culture desperately needs to have modelled through women like her. We all need to follow her example of humble faith that fully trusted God’s will for her life.

]]> By: Aaron http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/05/31/mark-driscoll-on-rick-warren/comment-page-1/#comment-1486 Aaron Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:46:03 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/05/31/mark-driscoll-on-rick-warren/#comment-1486 wonder if he'll recall his judgment on Bell too? wonder if he’ll recall his judgment on Bell too?

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