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]]> By: eric http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/12/04/the-spirit-of-faith-works/comment-page-1/#comment-2276 eric Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:27:14 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/12/04/the-spirit-of-faith-works/#comment-2276 Warren, You and I come from the same point of view regarding the issue, for sure. But, as you and I know from personal experience, the movement isn't all at once most of the time. It can be a long time coming, and full of fits and starts, eh? The beauty of the Catholic tradition is that it is so full of the subtle complexities of God that there are lifetimes worth of study, thought, meditation, prayer, and discussion, all without ever exhausting all of the topics, but at the same time, there is a blessed simplicity in clinging to the creedal profession of faith. What a wonderful and blessed gift we've been given. Best always, Eric W. Warren,
You and I come from the same point of view regarding the issue, for sure. But, as you and I know from personal experience, the movement isn’t all at once most of the time. It can be a long time coming, and full of fits and starts, eh?
The beauty of the Catholic tradition is that it is so full of the subtle complexities of God that there are lifetimes worth of study, thought, meditation, prayer, and discussion, all without ever exhausting all of the topics, but at the same time, there is a blessed simplicity in clinging to the creedal profession of faith. What a wonderful and blessed gift we’ve been given.
Best always,
Eric W.

]]> By: warren http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/12/04/the-spirit-of-faith-works/comment-page-1/#comment-2275 warren Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:06:49 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/12/04/the-spirit-of-faith-works/#comment-2275 Michael definitely understands the interconnectedness. Nevertheless, there remains (as a former evangelical myself) a difference between my "discussions" with my dear friends, who remain evangelicals, and those who are "coming from somewhere else". I'm coming from where Michael was at. I totally understand and appreciate the depth of his statements, and I agree with him. I was merely disagreeing with Luther, who I think reacted to what was a horrible situation in the Church (he was right to raise a stink over the practices) with a misguided doctrine (which then leads to problems). I believe that "Evangelicals" are mostly on a slow journey back to rediscovering the orthodox catholic Christian faith. Not necessary roman catholic, but definitely leaving behind, a lot of the polemics and flawed theology, and engaging in a search for the real, and the true. This is surely a movement of the Holy Spirit. Discussion is great. Fine. Love it. Let's have more. But a movement of the Holy Spirit among Christians and a leaving behind of what was really toxic about "sola fide", is something to really rejoice over. To then try to work Luther back into that, and try to wave the "sola fide" flag while at the same time giving it deprecated status, is a state of momentary confusion, I hope, that the evangelical churches will finally, at long last, drop completely. Warren Michael definitely understands the interconnectedness. Nevertheless, there remains (as a former evangelical myself) a difference between my “discussions” with my dear friends, who remain evangelicals, and those who are “coming from somewhere else”. I’m coming from where Michael was at. I totally understand and appreciate the depth of his statements, and I agree with him. I was merely disagreeing with Luther, who I think reacted to what was a horrible situation in the Church (he was right to raise a stink over the practices) with a misguided doctrine (which then leads to problems). I believe that “Evangelicals” are mostly on a slow journey back to rediscovering the orthodox catholic Christian faith. Not necessary roman catholic, but definitely leaving behind, a lot of the polemics and flawed theology, and engaging in a search for the real, and the true. This is surely a movement of the Holy Spirit. Discussion is great. Fine. Love it. Let’s have more. But a movement of the Holy Spirit among Christians and a leaving behind of what was really toxic about “sola fide”, is something to really rejoice over. To then try to work Luther back into that, and try to wave the “sola fide” flag while at the same time giving it deprecated status, is a state of momentary confusion, I hope, that the evangelical churches will finally, at long last, drop completely.

Warren

]]> By: eric http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/12/04/the-spirit-of-faith-works/comment-page-1/#comment-2274 eric Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:23:10 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/12/04/the-spirit-of-faith-works/#comment-2274 Hiya Michael, the interconnectedness of it all...it makes it less and less a simple doctrinal statement...Faith Alone is attractive...because it's simple. God is rarely so simple as we'd like to make Him... Warren, I think you re-worded much of what Michael was trying to say here. He's still a protestant, but he sympathizes with many of these issues...and that's a good place to start discussion, don't you think? best eric wyatt Hiya Michael,
the interconnectedness of it all…it makes it less and less a simple doctrinal statement…Faith Alone is attractive…because it’s simple. God is rarely so simple as we’d like to make Him…
Warren,
I think you re-worded much of what Michael was trying to say here. He’s still a protestant, but he sympathizes with many of these issues…and that’s a good place to start discussion, don’t you think?
best
eric wyatt

]]> By: Warren http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/12/04/the-spirit-of-faith-works/comment-page-1/#comment-2273 Warren Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:38:26 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2008/12/04/the-spirit-of-faith-works/#comment-2273 We are not saved by faith any more than by works. We are saved by the operation of God's grace. It is through faith, by grace, and without works, faith is dead. Dead faith is not effective, thus there can be no saving faith without works. This is one of the key things, as a former protestant evangelical, now a Catholic, that was key change in my understanding. Luther got it wrong. I have a CD for you to listen to if you're interested. Warren P. We are not saved by faith any more than by works. We are saved by the operation of God’s grace. It is through faith, by grace, and without works, faith is dead. Dead faith is not effective, thus there can be no saving faith without works. This is one of the key things, as a former protestant evangelical, now a Catholic, that was key change in my understanding. Luther got it wrong. I have a CD for you to listen to if you’re interested.

Warren P.

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