Comments on: Michael Spencer: “The Big Worship Goof” http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/ it's a good thing I like to dance Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:12:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Michael Krahn http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/comment-page-1/#comment-2987 Michael Krahn Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:11:35 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/#comment-2987 Matt, You could call that "Monk Vintage" Matt,

You could call that “Monk Vintage”

]]> By: Michael Krahn http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/comment-page-1/#comment-2986 Michael Krahn Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:11:19 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/#comment-2986 John and Krista, I agree with you both. As I mentioned to John T I am still in the process of discovering which songs work at AEMMC and which ones don't. I'm going to talk a bit about this at the meeting on Saturday night. John and Krista,

I agree with you both. As I mentioned to John T I am still in the process of discovering which songs work at AEMMC and which ones don’t. I’m going to talk a bit about this at the meeting on Saturday night.

]]> By: Michael Krahn http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/comment-page-1/#comment-2985 Michael Krahn Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:08:52 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/#comment-2985 Harold, I am in a great position at my job. Not only CAN I not be the front man every week, I am encouraged to not be that. (wow, strange sentence) To the rest of your comment, all agreed. Variety is good... always playing exactly like the CD is death. Creativity involves rearrangement. Harold,

I am in a great position at my job. Not only CAN I not be the front man every week, I am encouraged to not be that. (wow, strange sentence)

To the rest of your comment, all agreed. Variety is good… always playing exactly like the CD is death. Creativity involves rearrangement.

]]> By: Michael Krahn http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/comment-page-1/#comment-2984 Michael Krahn Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:05:35 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/#comment-2984 Mike, At a meeting last night I got the go ahead to develop differences between the two services... one modern and one traditional. Not sure exactly how we'll do that but that's where we're going. We also discussed a potential Saturday night service that would even more "out of the box". You better go to school close to home so you can be around for all of this. ;-) Mike,

At a meeting last night I got the go ahead to develop differences between the two services… one modern and one traditional. Not sure exactly how we’ll do that but that’s where we’re going.

We also discussed a potential Saturday night service that would even more “out of the box”.

You better go to school close to home so you can be around for all of this. ;-)

]]> By: Matt Dabbs http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/comment-page-1/#comment-2982 Matt Dabbs Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:23:02 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/#comment-2982 I asked Dan Kimball if he ever incorporated acappella worship and he said they did at times. I am assuming for this very reason. It is also quite "vintage" when it comes down to it. I asked Dan Kimball if he ever incorporated acappella worship and he said they did at times. I am assuming for this very reason. It is also quite “vintage” when it comes down to it.

]]> By: Krista http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/comment-page-1/#comment-2980 Krista Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:15:54 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/#comment-2980 Hi Mike, I believe in the idea of a song remembers. Many times in the past there have been songs or hymns, that have hit me right where I need it, to convict me and to remind me why I am there. I like John's idea. As I was reading Michael Spencer and your own comments, my thought was, well, we probably don't know the words to most of those songs. Some of them are familiar, but not enough to sing with conviction. I like the idea of singing some of the old time favourites that we all know. And hey, those old timers might just like it. ;-) Hi Mike,
I believe in the idea of a song remembers. Many times in the past there have been songs or hymns, that have hit me right where I need it, to convict me and to remind me why I am there.

I like John’s idea. As I was reading Michael Spencer and your own comments, my thought was, well, we probably don’t know the words to most of those songs. Some of them are familiar, but not enough to sing with conviction.

I like the idea of singing some of the old time favourites that we all know. And hey, those old timers might just like it. ;-)

]]> By: John http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/comment-page-1/#comment-2979 John Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:13:04 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/#comment-2979 Alas, I am now one of the 40s. Sigh. I agree that a lack of variety desensitizes people (or at least me). I remember growing to really resent, and stop singing, the same old hymns every week. The message was getting lost. I like John T's suggestion of trying some acappella and just generally mix it up and keep it fresh. I always wonder how many people miss the message in the song "It's all about you". Ironic and sad. Alas, I am now one of the 40s. Sigh.

I agree that a lack of variety desensitizes people (or at least me). I remember growing to really resent, and stop singing, the same old hymns every week. The message was getting lost.

I like John T’s suggestion of trying some acappella and just generally mix it up and keep it fresh.

I always wonder how many people miss the message in the song “It’s all about you”. Ironic and sad.

]]> By: H Vyn http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/comment-page-1/#comment-2978 H Vyn Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:18:51 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/#comment-2978 Hi Michael, I've had a lot of years experience coming through the ranks. One item to note that just happened this weekend was that I was in the Muskokas attending church Sunday, expecting it to be a different experience I found myself knowing all the songs! (I.E. Hillsongs, Redman etc....) at one point it was nice to be in my comfort zone but on the other hand I felt a bit ripped of having to be fed the same "mcdonalds style" pre-packed music. Can people quit copying the CD's and make it their own? Do we really need to repeat the choruses exactly as the CD? Same solo's etc... Other item I would like to comment is that we need varieties of worship. Hearing the same band each week desensitizes you to their sound and message. Would you go to see your favorite band every week? It would get boring. Not every week needs to be the rock show, and not every week needs to be hymns and psalms. Sometimes a piano led worship is very appropriate for certain topics or occasions and sometimes a guy with a acoustic guitar is really what's required. Sometimes the whole band is required. At times I find a real disconnect between what the pastor is trying to speak on and the message coming from band. My advice to you would be to be a worship leader, organizer and facilitator. You don't always need to be the front man every week. My biggest joy is to see others genuinely worship and praise God outwardly and listen/view their personal way (sound) of worshiping. Hi Michael,

I’ve had a lot of years experience coming through the ranks.

One item to note that just happened this weekend was that I was in the Muskokas attending church Sunday, expecting it to be a different experience I found myself knowing all the songs! (I.E. Hillsongs, Redman etc….) at one point it was nice to be in my comfort zone but on the other hand I felt a bit ripped of having to be fed the same “mcdonalds style” pre-packed music. Can people quit copying the CD’s and make it their own? Do we really need to repeat the choruses exactly as the CD? Same solo’s etc…

Other item I would like to comment is that we need varieties of worship. Hearing the same band each week desensitizes you to their sound and message. Would you go to see your favorite band every week? It would get boring. Not every week needs to be the rock show, and not every week needs to be hymns and psalms. Sometimes a piano led worship is very appropriate for certain topics or occasions and sometimes a guy with a acoustic guitar is really what’s required. Sometimes the whole band is required. At times I find a real disconnect between what the pastor is trying to speak on and the message coming from band.

My advice to you would be to be a worship leader, organizer and facilitator. You don’t always need to be the front man every week. My biggest joy is to see others genuinely worship and praise God outwardly and listen/view their personal way (sound) of worshiping.

]]> By: Mike Klassen http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/comment-page-1/#comment-2977 Mike Klassen Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:00:46 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/#comment-2977 hey mike i completly aggree with this that "hillsong" type worship has a better place with a younger generation and that we respond to that much better than that of an older style (i know im generalizing worship as a music based event). me personally i agree taht we need to get back too what worship is about and not so much base it on a performance thing (although in a sense we are supposed to use the gifts and talents that we have been given (sometimes being versatile isn't one of those gifts)). but i also ,as a guitarist, am trying to find a happy medium between the 2 for a sunday morning where in our church there really is 2 opposite music cultures present its hard to find a tone that won't distract anyone from worship by going overboard on the overdrive or by using too many "cool" effects :P. so how do we find a happy medium is my question? hey mike i completly aggree with this that “hillsong” type worship has a better place with a younger generation and that we respond to that much better than that of an older style (i know im generalizing worship as a music based event). me personally i agree taht we need to get back too what worship is about and not so much base it on a performance thing (although in a sense we are supposed to use the gifts and talents that we have been given (sometimes being versatile isn’t one of those gifts)). but i also ,as a guitarist, am trying to find a happy medium between the 2 for a sunday morning where in our church there really is 2 opposite music cultures present its hard to find a tone that won’t distract anyone from worship by going overboard on the overdrive or by using too many “cool” effects :P.

so how do we find a happy medium is my question?

]]> By: Michael Krahn http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/comment-page-1/#comment-2976 Michael Krahn Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:26:28 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/#comment-2976 John, I totally agree. Being kind of new, I am having trouble finding out ahead of time which songs people know and which ones they don't. On some mornings I play a song I think will be new and everyone sings; on other mornings I play a song I assume they know and I get blank stares. Each week I try to make note of which ones the congregation responds to... so hopefully this will get better. Matt, I really believe this is a generational thing. People in their 20s and 30s are totally fine with loudness - they've been to concerts and know that they have to sing loud in order to be heard. Its a natural habitat for them. Older people don't get that at all. In general 20-30s people bask in the experience of <b>knowing</b> there are other people in the room worshiping in song. 40s and above bask in the experience of <b>hearing</b> other people in the room worshiping in song. I'm fine with either one... but its tough when you have all ages in a room. John,

I totally agree. Being kind of new, I am having trouble finding out ahead of time which songs people know and which ones they don’t. On some mornings I play a song I think will be new and everyone sings; on other mornings I play a song I assume they know and I get blank stares.

Each week I try to make note of which ones the congregation responds to… so hopefully this will get better.

Matt,

I really believe this is a generational thing. People in their 20s and 30s are totally fine with loudness – they’ve been to concerts and know that they have to sing loud in order to be heard. Its a natural habitat for them. Older people don’t get that at all.

In general 20-30s people bask in the experience of knowing there are other people in the room worshiping in song. 40s and above bask in the experience of hearing other people in the room worshiping in song.

I’m fine with either one… but its tough when you have all ages in a room.

]]> By: Matt Dabbs http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/comment-page-1/#comment-2975 Matt Dabbs Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:19:32 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/#comment-2975 Churches of Christ, of which I am a member and minister used to be known for being very sectarian and condemning when it came to churches that used instruments in worship. A lot has changed in the last 50 years and the condemning tone has changed for the most part (thankfully). In its place the beauty of participatory worship has grown. I cannot tell you how many times I have been in a congregation worshipping with instruments and seen people just standing there not singing a word. Other times you couldn't hear a single person around you because the bad was so loud that you couldn't even hear yourself sing. That is far rarer in non-instrumental churches I have been a part of. It still happens, but far less frequently. I believe that is because we have tried not to develop an atmosphere of performance. We are not immune to it, but it seems less frequent. Churches of Christ, of which I am a member and minister used to be known for being very sectarian and condemning when it came to churches that used instruments in worship. A lot has changed in the last 50 years and the condemning tone has changed for the most part (thankfully). In its place the beauty of participatory worship has grown. I cannot tell you how many times I have been in a congregation worshipping with instruments and seen people just standing there not singing a word. Other times you couldn’t hear a single person around you because the bad was so loud that you couldn’t even hear yourself sing. That is far rarer in non-instrumental churches I have been a part of. It still happens, but far less frequently. I believe that is because we have tried not to develop an atmosphere of performance. We are not immune to it, but it seems less frequent.

]]> By: John Teichroeb http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/comment-page-1/#comment-2974 John Teichroeb Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:17:18 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2009/06/15/michael-spencer-the-big-worship-goof/#comment-2974 Hey Mike, While I agree that people don't sing as loud in our church, I must say it might be in part due to the song's are unfamiliar to them/us. Let's dedicate a morning with some old familiars and do it occopella style. I think it might warm the vocals up as well as some hearts. Hey Mike,

While I agree that people don’t sing as loud in our church, I must say it might be in part due to the song’s are unfamiliar to them/us. Let’s dedicate a morning with some old familiars and do it occopella style. I think it might warm the vocals up as well as some hearts.

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