Atheism / Belief and Richard Dawkins Michael Krahn on 17 Sep 2009 08:31 pm
Dealing With Atheism
A question for discussion:
Is it wise for Christians to engage with atheist perspective material (i.e. reading Dawkins or watching Religulous), or should Christians avoid these things out of concern that this engagement could create doubts and some might persuade to stop believing in God?
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on 18 Sep 2009 at 1:14 am # Andy Doan
The answer I would give depends on if your goal is to hold one belief system for your entire life. If so then pursuing this materials isn’t unwise but pointless. The only reason to try to understand a different point of view is to expand or alter your own. You can’t listen to an argument in good faith if you already know what your opinion must be before hearing it.
The only reason why a Christian (who’s firm in his stance) should force themselves to endure this stuff is to get information that might help them in proselytizing to atheists. Even this doesn’t seem like a very good way to occupy ones time. Atheists don’t generally have a unified belief system knowing one might as easily mean becoming one. The real growth area for Christians IMHO is in people who already believe in religious stuff.
Besides I don’t think atheists are born from media marketed as atheist material. Try Melville or Nietzsche for that. In fact I would love to hear a apologist try to ram these works through the needle hole of their doctrine.
on 18 Sep 2009 at 3:08 pm # Dan
Well, on he other hand, should an Atheist expose themselves with Christian perspective material (Bible). As a minister you would promote your material and encourage us to read it right? Well as an Atheist, I suggest everyone search for their own truth no matter what form of media they may find it in, even if it’s the new Dawkin’s book or the Bible.
on 18 Sep 2009 at 6:11 pm # Ben
Personally I think it is great to engage in material from an Atheist perspective. Often I find that their criticisms of our religion have an aspect of truth. They are not true of God but too often they are true of the god that the “Christian religion” promotes. In reading their material we may discover how we have made the God of the bible into something else – how we Christians have created idols. Or at the very least we can understand what type of god the world thinks we believe in.
Also if our faith is true than it should be able to stand up under the questions and examinations of Atheists. And if it can’t…
on 24 Sep 2009 at 4:34 am # MentalRover
Well, at first it depends on the specific person. Reading and debating atheist material involves theological and philosophical discussion. If one is not interested in this, why bother?
Beside that, I strongly recommend reading that stuff, for different reasons.
First, I detected that non-believers -which make up the majority in our all-day environment- read this books. They are not without reason put on stage in every book store.
So one should be prepared for dialogs. But how should we, without knowing the arguments presented?
Second, and that is a very personal experience, those books indeed caused a deep doubt in me, drawing me away from faith.
They showed me all the lacks in religious thoughts, church life a.s.o.
But keeping in search for the deeper truth, I even studied the critics of this books, and learned the lacks in their perspective as well, I had indeed missed.
In the end this back and forth deconstructed broad parts of my faith. But due to this, it could be reconstructed again in a more mature perspective, which was all in all good and necessary.
I think isolating oneself of atheistic books does not serve for anything but perhaps for conservation of a weak, unreflected, low-level faith.
So I indeed recommend to deal with atheistic books.
on 01 Oct 2009 at 10:38 pm # Jason
I cannot recommend David Bentley Hart’s book “Athiest Delusions” as a great foundation from which to engage atheists.
on 02 Oct 2009 at 12:18 am # Jason
Oops! IN my previous post I meant to say “I cannot recomment highly enought DBH’s book “Atheist Delusions” – it is a great foundation from which to engage atheists”…
on 05 Oct 2009 at 1:14 pm # Michael Krahn
Andy,
That would be a very odd goal. The goal, for me, is to chase and embrace truth for my entire life. I am always looking to alter and expand my own understanding.
If by “firm in your stance” you mean someone who experiences a reasonable degree of certainty in some matters, I would describe myself that way but I wouldn’t say that I have to force myself to endure Dawkins or Hitchens.
In fact, I think Hitchens is an excellent writer – to the point where I don’t even care what his content is, I just want to read him for the strength of his use of the English language.
on 05 Oct 2009 at 1:17 pm # Michael Krahn
Dan,
LOl – yes, it is a reasonable assumption that as a Christian minister I would promote the Bible and encourage you to read it. I have also read The God Delusion and large chunks of God Is Not Great.
Intellectual exposure is a good thing.
on 05 Oct 2009 at 1:18 pm # Michael Krahn
Ben,
Exactly.
on 06 Oct 2009 at 11:53 am # Aaron
If a reader doesn’t have a particularly solid understanding of their own belief system, it’s probably not wise to engage material that, rightly or wrongly, shreds it (and I would say this of so-called “Christian” books as well).
A solid grasp of Christianity, for example, can help readers refute error in a book or commend a valid critique. I believe it also prevents Intellectual exposure is a good and necessary thing, so long as we’re prepared to engage intellectually.
Or am I just talking nonsense?
on 06 Oct 2009 at 12:40 pm # Michael Krahn
Aaron » No, I think that’s a real danger. It can serve confuse rather than augment. But long-term intentional avoidance of “the other side of the coin” is negligent in my opinion.
on 06 Oct 2009 at 2:53 pm # Aaron
Agreed
on 06 Oct 2009 at 8:58 pm # Andy Doan
How can a Christian consider atheism the other side of the coin? Wouldn’t that put non belief on the same level as belief?
Truth in Christianity comes from God, Atheism comes from man. Not equal points of view considered from the side of the Christian.
What could an atheist point of view possibly add to ones faith? If it’s to know your enemy (or opponent) all that’s required to know is that they are sinners and blasphemers in the eyes of the Christian God. Why waste your time?
on 06 Oct 2009 at 10:44 pm # Michael Krahn
Andy Doan » Nothing to do with levels or equality per se. And my comment is more general in tone than you’re read it. I’m thinking in all contexts. i.e. Whichever discipline you think you are an expert in, you should study what has positioned itself as its opposite.
As a Christian, I believe that truth comes from God, yes. I also believe that the people of God are, well, people. Fallible, prone to error, etc. and at times in history this has been obvious. Sometimes the “opposite” view contains a much needed corrective to commonplace or institutionalized error.
What could an atheist point of view possibly add to one’s faith? Well, it points out some very obvious errors in the modern application of Christian theology – at least as it is lived in North America. Sadly, some atheists see examples of un-Christlike-ness in Christians more readily than other Christians.
Know your enemy… interesting. I do hope, Andy, that you’ve never felt that I consider you to be an enemy. And I have never considered conversing with you to be a waste of time.