Comments on: Matt Chandler, Faith, and Terminal Brain Cancer http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2010/02/01/matt-chandler-faith-and-terminal-brain-cancer/ it's a good thing I like to dance Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:12:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jeff Cebulski http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2010/02/01/matt-chandler-faith-and-terminal-brain-cancer/comment-page-1/#comment-3985 Jeff Cebulski Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:14:48 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/?p=1187#comment-3985 Hey Joel, a fine survey that is instructive toward a theology of the Church as the 'Body' of Christ. I can't see anything in the list that is contradictory to the person of Christ or his apostolic teaching. Reid, much agreement. I can sense Paul's grappling with the issue in a significant portion of his epistles. Hey Joel, a fine survey that is instructive toward a theology of the Church as the ‘Body’ of Christ. I can’t see anything in the list that is contradictory to the person of Christ or his apostolic teaching. Reid, much agreement. I can sense Paul’s grappling with the issue in a significant portion of his epistles.

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]]> By: Joel Fariss http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2010/02/01/matt-chandler-faith-and-terminal-brain-cancer/comment-page-1/#comment-3983 Joel Fariss Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:14:22 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/?p=1187#comment-3983 I agree with Jeff, the true Church should be a light in the darkness. Paul calls the church a pillar and buttress of truth in 1 Timothy 3. It is true that God reveals His wisdom through the simple, but that doesn't mean we should be screwed up as a body. I recently did a survey of the NT in a paper I was writing for school and decided to post it in... See More light of this conversation. Its a list of the Church's attributes. http://redsonmissionary.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/ecclesial-survey-of-the-new-testament/ I agree with Jeff, the true Church should be a light in the darkness. Paul calls the church a pillar and buttress of truth in 1 Timothy 3. It is true that God reveals His wisdom through the simple, but that doesn’t mean we should be screwed up as a body. I recently did a survey of the NT in a paper I was writing for school and decided to post it in… See More light of this conversation. Its a list of the Church’s attributes.

http://redsonmissionary.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/ecclesial-survey-of-the-new-testament/

]]> By: Jeff Cebulski http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2010/02/01/matt-chandler-faith-and-terminal-brain-cancer/comment-page-1/#comment-3982 Jeff Cebulski Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:14:07 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/?p=1187#comment-3982 He wrote (you quoted), “Shouldn’t religious organizations, if they were God-inspired and -driven, reflect higher standards than government, corporations and other groups in society?” I have to agree with him. "Regeneration" should mean something. Now, we have to remember the Catholic context here...it seems strange to me that he should leap to 'unbelief' before he would consider that, perhaps, the actual organization he may have actually believed in would be bankrupt in this manner. All Christian-type institutions have their imperfections (vis-a-vis Reid), but a traditional trope of Catholic belief is that the Church (institution) is the carrier of the image of Christ. Therefore, if the institution is bankrupt, its message is, too. Protestants have the freedom not to indulge in that kind of thought; we have Paul's letters testifying to the imperfection of early Church group leadership to help us see it. ... See More Yet, as Michael stated, this kind of scandal is truly and particularly un-Christ-like...and I understand his angst. But his book seems based on an unnecessarily segmented idea of the Church. He wrote (you quoted), “Shouldn’t religious organizations, if they were God-inspired and -driven, reflect higher standards than government, corporations and other groups in society?”

I have to agree with him. “Regeneration” should mean something.

Now, we have to remember the Catholic context here…it seems strange to me that he should leap to ‘unbelief’ before he would consider that, perhaps, the actual organization he may have actually believed in would be bankrupt in this manner. All Christian-type institutions have their imperfections (vis-a-vis Reid), but a traditional trope of Catholic belief is that the Church (institution) is the carrier of the image of Christ. Therefore, if the institution is bankrupt, its message is, too. Protestants have the freedom not to indulge in that kind of thought; we have Paul’s letters testifying to the imperfection of early Church group leadership to help us see it. … See More

Yet, as Michael stated, this kind of scandal is truly and particularly un-Christ-like…and I understand his angst. But his book seems based on an unnecessarily segmented idea of the Church.

]]> By: Michael Krahn http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2010/02/01/matt-chandler-faith-and-terminal-brain-cancer/comment-page-1/#comment-3981 Michael Krahn Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:13:53 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/?p=1187#comment-3981 Reid, You are correct. I believe this happens because we (I mean, "those other Christians") make their life goal to appear to have it all together. Authenticity is admitting hypocrisy, not avoiding it. Of course a sex scandal involving minors and a subsequent cover-up is a whole other level of hypocrisy and should never be expected. Reid,

You are correct. I believe this happens because we (I mean, “those other Christians”) make their life goal to appear to have it all together.

Authenticity is admitting hypocrisy, not avoiding it.

Of course a sex scandal involving minors and a subsequent cover-up is a whole other level of hypocrisy and should never be expected.

]]> By: Reid Davis http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2010/02/01/matt-chandler-faith-and-terminal-brain-cancer/comment-page-1/#comment-3980 Reid Davis Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:13:35 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/?p=1187#comment-3980 I don't get it. Why does anyone expect religious organizations to be less f****d up than other ones? If anything, religious organizations should be MORE so, since those are the people so screwed up that they're willing to admit their need of a savior. I mean, nearly half of the New Testament is written to f'd up churches, yes? And that was all less than 100 years after Jesus had walked the earth. I don’t get it. Why does anyone expect religious organizations to be less f****d up than other ones? If anything, religious organizations should be MORE so, since those are the people so screwed up that they’re willing to admit their need of a savior. I mean, nearly half of the New Testament is written to f’d up churches, yes? And that was all less than 100 years after Jesus had walked the earth.

]]> By: Kevin Abell http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2010/02/01/matt-chandler-faith-and-terminal-brain-cancer/comment-page-1/#comment-3979 Kevin Abell Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:13:23 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/?p=1187#comment-3979 Is there not anyway to detect a wolf before he's ordained, regardless of denomination? I mean in the automotive trade, we have code scanners that give us information for what's going on in the inside of a vehicle. Is there not anyway to detect a wolf before he’s ordained, regardless of denomination? I mean in the automotive trade, we have code scanners that give us information for what’s going on in the inside of a vehicle.

]]> By: Michael Krahn http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/2010/02/01/matt-chandler-faith-and-terminal-brain-cancer/comment-page-1/#comment-3978 Michael Krahn Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:13:15 +0000 http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/?p=1187#comment-3978 Some responses below that came via Facebook. Some responses below that came via Facebook.

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