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The Fine Line Between Truth and Propaganda – Dr. Zhao Xiao – Liveblogging the Global Leadership Summit 2010 (#wcagls)

I’ve been looking forward to this one too. Ever since I went to China in 2006 I’ve taken a special interest in all things Chinese. His bio reads:

“A prominent Chinese economist, Dr. Zhao Xiao was commissioned by his government to study the success of the American economy. He concluded that a moral foundation allowed the economy to flourish, argued that China’s economy would benefit from the spread of the Christian faith, and embraced Christianity himself. He continues to be a respected scholar and government advisor, speaking openly about the influence of Christianity on economics. Our first non-English speaking faculty member, he will lean on a gifted translator to share his thoughts on the relationship between morality and a market economy, the state of the Church in China, and the challenges of leadership as a Christian in a secular Communist country.”

This session was difficult to parse. He used a translator and even he was difficult to understand sometimes. He was introduced as a “Chinese, Christian, Communist Economist”.

This was by far the strangest thing I’ve heard in a long time and now, having heard the talk I’m a little stunned. A trained economist or historian I am not, but this smacked of straight-up pandering and Chinese Communist government propaganda and people swallowed and clapped – even gave a standing O! (Please check out Jason Postma’s notes on the session here)

Xiao’s bio vid claims that China is looking to use Christianity and other religions to create a “more harmonious society”? Hmmm, that seems to have created harmony in our culture, right? China, we can’t show you how to have a harmonious society. We don’t have one ourselves!

And the evidence that our economy is based on Christian values…? Unbridled consumerism? Is this what you want and all that goes along with it? Rampant obesity? Over-reliance on anti-depressants? There may have been a time when our economies looked a bit more “Christian” but Xiao is looking at the good parts of our system and he want that, but how can he ignore the present reality? Which is, well, kind of a mess.

Then he said: “I want to thank all the missionaries who brought prosperity to China.” His basic premise is based on this: the economy has boomed. During the same time, there has been a growth of Christianity. That proves it. The economy has grown, so has Christianity, therefore Christianity is good for the economy. See, Christianity is good for the economy!

We’re going to need a whole lot more empirical evidence before we can swallow that hypothesis.

- Europe is thriving and reviving? It’s the most de-Christianized area of the world.

- One good influence: No more fake accounting and bribery…. Surely this is because of the influence of North American integrity… no?

He claims that this is America’s past and China’s future:

A city on a hill,

A nation of integrity,

A blessing to the world.

China will become the new America? Prosperity and blessings for all? Don’t worry world, China is a nice gentle giant.

Quote: “To bless today’s China means to bless tomorrow’s world.”

How naïve is this guy? I’m going to have to run this session by my Chinese friends and missionaries I know… maybe I’m all wrong.

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  • http://www.rootedradical.wordpress.com Jason Postma

    I don’t know what was more disturbing – the content of his speech or the response it received. Was anyone actually listening to what he was saying and the implications therein?

  • http://www.scottrageous.com Scott

    You really aught to tread lightly here.

    If it brings Christ to over a billion Asians without faith in Him, who cares if it’s good for their economy. Who are we to tell God he’s not allowed to bless China? Have you ever considered the other side of the coin? …A good economy may be great for Christianity. God blessed America, why can’t he bless China too? And if that means better quality (and unleaded) goods and gadgets, I see that as a benefit and possibly a return on that blessing for the rest of the world.

    China is still finding their way… And I am certain that God, who began the good work within China, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns. (see Phillipians 1:6)

  • http://www.michaelkrahn.com/blog Michael Krahn

    @Scott: Hey Scott,

    When you say “If it brings Christ to over a billion Asians…”, what is “it”? Certainly no one is saying that Christ isn’t needed in China. The motive for bringing him there, however, is quite troublesome. You’re right, if true Christianity flourishes in China, the Christians won’t care whether or not it is good for their economy. But do you know who does care? The Chinese governemnt, who will only tolerate religion AS LONG AS IT IS GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY.

    The moment they see any hint that it’s not there will be attempts on their part to control it.

    Telling God whom he can and can’t bless is not part of the issue here. The question is whether our unbridled obsession with the god called “consumerism” has ever been a blessing to the world. I certainly don’t think the millions of people who have worked for next to nothing in Chinese factories for the last few decades so that you can buy cheap toys and socks consider that a blessing.

    God can bless whomever he wants to of course. I’m just not sure that Zhao Xiao is seeing the full spectrum of what’s become of our “blessing” (if that’s ever what it was).

    An additional question is this: when God finishes the work that he has undoubtedly begun in China, are you assuming that at that time there will be a healthy economy? That hasn’t played out in North America, why would it play out there?

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  • http://www.rootedradical.wordpress.com Jason Postma

    Absolutely no need to tread lightly. While I am thankful for Dr. Xiao’s testimony and sensitive to the fact that he is a product of his context, I cannot and will not accept his thesis that the success of the American economy is a result of its Christian values. I can think of a huge list of American Christians who would vehemently contest this, Stanley Hauwerwas immediately comes to mind. To use the Gospels as a means to justify an economic platform is nothing but a false gospel. Dr. Zhao’s statements today echo so much of the rhetoric of the Christian right when it comes to the coupling of “values” and free market capitalism.

  • http://resilientemergence.com Matt Steen

    I am still processing this talk, but here are some thoughts I had:

    Part of me wonders how much pro China stuff he has to say in order to maintain his ability to freely travel outside of China. I also wondered whether this is what it sounds like when an American goes to another nation to speak.

    I could not help but hear “religion is the opiate of the masses” over and over again as he was talking and wondering about whether the Chinese government views Christianity as an instrument through which to control their people.

    I think that I understand what they are getting at when it comes to the Christianity being good for the economy. I am not one of the fox news groupies convinced that this country is a Christian nation. That said, the judeo-christian value system did shape a good bit of this nation early on… as I think back through the history of this country, I can see where these values shaped the market to some extent, and guided it with a degree of ethics. As the value system eroded, so did these ethics. What I see them saying is that John Nash’s theories of everyone looking out for their own self interest will ultimately cause a free market to shipwreck a country… which is ironic because it would seem that this is the direction we are headed in the US.

    Lastly… I could not help but ask how would Chinese adoption of Christianity on a wholesale level change Christianity?

  • http://www.gloryrumours.blogspot.com Brad Saunders

    While Mr. Xiao was unquestionably charming, he was simply rehashing de Tocqueville’s observations in Democracy in America, published almost 200 years ago. There was nothing new here, which for me, added to the sense that I was somehow being manipulated to view China as a great benevolent saviour of the world economy with a little Jesus thrown in to appease the masses. The whole talk amounted to little more than a “red” version of the prosperity gospel.

    P.S. Thanks for the session summaries. I just stumbled onto your blog but I think I was actually sitting behind you at Forest City!

  • http://www.scottrageous.com Scott

    Hey Michael,

    Nope, no correlation to economy with Phil 1:6, just saying that China’s pursuit of God isn’t necessarily the ideal path., but no one’s perfect. China is a huge work in progress just like every single one of us, and we won’t reach perfection until his work is complete. But of course, when Christ returns, and half their population disappears, I can’t imagine there would be much of an economy left after that anyway.

    In the mean time, who knows. Part of God’s work might involve releasing that “what’s in it for us?” attitude of the Chinese government. Over time, and as new Chinese leaders arise, I do see this happening, but for now, I’m sure God is happy to have a pretty strong foothold in the door. And yes, I’m sure Zhao Xiao chose his words carefully, after all, China is probably watching his moves carefully.

    Regarding our situation here in America, I think, hope and pray that it’s just a cycle, and I have a pretty good feeling that we will find our way back to God as a country again, but it could be a while, and it will require …wait for it… great leaders! Including us in the church (to bring the unchurched in this country to Christ), all the way up to the president.

    God is still working here, let’s not forget about that. We just have to cooperate. :)

  • http://www.rootedradical.wordpress.com Jason Postma

    My post on this lecture (and your link to it) continues to generate a lot of traffic to my blog. What about to yours?