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The Atheist Faith Story

Posted over at my other blog. Here’s an excerpt:

Everybody has a faith story. For some people that means talking about how God showed up in their lives but for others it means talking about how God seems to have disappeared. For many in the second category the church has become irrelevant, God is an entity that has yet to prove his own existence, and Christians a pack of wolves out for a hunt. Too often that last part is true.

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Christianity Today Interviews Anne Rice

I had a bit of fun with Anne Rice’s recent apparent turn towards Emergent a couple of weeks ago. Truth be told, I am a great respecter of her life of Christ novel series and I can recommend that you read them – not necessarily for their doctrinal perfection, but for their excellent imagining of who Jesus was at various stages of life.

Christianity Today recently interviewed Anne Rice on following Christ without Christianity. A great quote from the interview:

Are there any other religious authors you read?

I read theology and biblical scholarship all the time. I love the biblical scholarship of D.A. Carson… I still read N.T. Wright. I love the Catholic theologian Karl Rahner. I love his writing on Jesus Christ. It’s very beautiful to me, and I study a little bit of it every day. Of course, I love Tolstoy and Dostoevsky.

You mentioned D.A. Carson, Craig Keener, and N.T. Wright. They are fairly conservative Protestants.

Sometimes the most conservative people are the most biblically and scholastically sound. They have studied Scripture and have studied skeptical scholarship. They make brilliant arguments for the way something in the Bible reads and how it’s been interpreted.

I don’t go to them necessarily to know more about their personal beliefs. It’s the brilliance they bring to bear on the text that appeals to me. Of all the people I’ve read over the years, it’s their work that I keep on my desk. They’re all non-Catholics, but they’re believers, they document their books well, they write well, they’re scrupulously honest as scholars, and they don’t have a bias.

Many of the skeptical non-believer biblical scholars have a terrible bias. To them, Jesus didn’t rise from the dead, so there’s no point in discussing it. I want someone to approach the text and tell me what it says, how the language worked.

Read the rest of the interview here. (HT: Aaron Armstrong)

Christopher Hitchens is Dying…

Well, so are the rest of us… but as Hitchens puts it, “the process has suddenly accelerated on him.”

Some “Christians” are apparently “happy” about this (the ones that don’t use quotes around the words Christian and happy.)

I am certainly not happy about it since I quite admire Hitchens as a writer and hope that God gives him many more years to write and explore and think. Take a look at this interview:

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The Rage Against God – An Interview With Peter Hitchens

Peter (whose more famous brother is Christopher) has a book coming out with Zondervan.

(HT: Doug Wilson)

The Rage Against God

Christopher Hitchens’ brother, Peter, is about to release a book called “The Rage Against God: How Atheism Led Me To Faith”.

“It begins with the day when, as a teenager at my boarding school in England, I set fire to my Bible…”:

Reporter Seeks To Defend Religion, Loses Faith Instead

When experienced journalist and Christian William Lobdell asked to be put on the religion beat for the Los Angeles Times, the last thing he expected to discover was that his doubts would become stronger than his faith.

In a 2007 article in the Los Angeles Times, Lobdell described the initial excitement of the job. “I had been on the religion beat for three years,” he says, “I couldn’t wait to get to work each day or, on Sunday, to church.” Investigating a case of clergy sexual abuse changed all that.

The clergy sex scandal would become the primary source of Lobdell’s disillusionment. As his investigation turned up credible sources that revealed the lengths to which the church had gone to protect a priest, his disappointment grew. This particular scandal has been hugely detrimental to the church, a problem further exacerbated by investigations and subsequent revelations of blatant cover-ups and the shuffling of guilty priests to other dioceses.

All this led Lobdell to a question that deserves to be answered or at least explored by people of faith: “Shouldn’t religious organizations, if they were God-inspired and -driven, reflect higher standards than government, corporations and other groups in society?”

Adding to his growing cynicism was what Lobdell discovered about Trinity Broadcasting Network, who went so far as to ask people already deeply in debt to make donations on their credit cards. At the same time, network co-founder Paul Crouch and his wife enjoyed $180-per-person meals paid for with tax-free donor money.

“As the stories piled up,” Lobdell says, “I began to pray with renewed vigor, but it felt like I wasn’t connecting to God. I started to feel silly even trying.” This led to the consideration of another possibility: “Maybe God didn’t exist.”

This consideration, one suspects, is not all that uncommon in today’s world, as books by atheists have become best-sellers and major topics of conversation. Obviously these authors have tapped into a growing irritation with the actions of people who claim to represent Jesus. Lobdell’s loss of faith stands as but one story of a growing number.

Listen to an NPR interview with Lobdell.

Hitchens: “What I’ve learned from debating religious people around the world.”

http://ranjiao.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/hitchens_smoking.jpgFull article in SLATE here. A couple of interesting quotes:

On the “Christian Right”: “I have discovered that the so-called Christian right is much less monolithic, and very much more polite and hospitable, than I would once have thought, or than most liberals believe.”

On his respect for Doug Wilson: “I much prefer this sincerity to the vague and Python-esque witterings of the interfaith and ecumenical groups who barely respect their own traditions and who look upon faith as just another word for community organizing.”

I am rarely disappointed when reading Hitchens.  There is always something of note in what he writes. He is a far more honest and articulate adversary than Dawkins.

Dealing With Atheism

http://goodnows2go.com/Richard%20Dawkins.jpgA question for discussion:

Is it wise for Christians to engage with atheist perspective material (i.e. reading Dawkins or watching Religulous), or should Christians avoid these things out of concern that this engagement could create doubts and some might persuade to stop believing in God?

James 5:13-20 Sermon Audio

Here is the audio from the sermon I preached last Sunday – my first ever on a Sunday morning.

The sermon was based on James 5:13-20 and the title of the was “The Prayer of a Righteous Person”

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If you would like to see some discussion that happened in preparation for the sermon, click here.

I’ll post the notes and some thoughts about sermon prep (with pictures) in a while.

Divine Immutability

We can define immutability in general terms by saying that it is “the quality of being incapable of mutation.” In theological terms, it is defined as “the doctrine of classical Christian theism that God cannot change; this has been variously interpreted to mean either that God’s nature cannot change but that God can, or that God himself cannot change at all.”

In this post, I will interact with the idea as Wayne Grudem defines it: “God is unchanging in his being, perfections, purposes, and promises, yet God does act and feel emotions, and he acts and feels differently in different situations.”

Support From Scripture

Numerous references to the concept of immutability are found in scripture:
- Psalm 102:25-27 speaks of God outliving the universe he created, comparing it to a garment that will wear out in comparison.
- In Malachi 3:6 God establishes his trustworthiness by telling Israel that they are not consumed because he does not change; his promises remain, regardless of the faithfulness (or faithlessness) of those to whom he made the promise. This provides “a solid foundation for his people’s faith and hope.”
- In James 1:17 God is called the “Father of lights” – indeed, the very source of light – and is not outshined by any other light that it might cast a shadow by him. This is similar to Psalm 102 in that it refers to that which we find glorious as something less significant when compared to God.
- 1 Sam 15:29 is somewhat problematic in saying that God will “not lie or have regret” since in the same chapter it says that God regretted making Saul king (vv. 11 and 35). Notes in the ESV Study Bible explain as follows: “Thus the term as used in 1 Sam. 15:11, 35 describes God’s own feeling of sorrow or regret that Saul had turned out as he did… while in v. 29 God will not regret or change his mind concerning a decision once he has made it.”
- In Hebrews 6:17-18 God demonstrates the unchangeable character of his purpose by guaranteeing it by two unchangeable things: himself and an oath.
- Hebrews 13:8 is distinguished from the other references in that it alone refers to the person of Jesus, saying that he is “the same yesterday and today and forever.”

Although…

In seeming contrast to these examples, the following passages show that while God himself does not change, a divine change of mind is possible:
-    Gen 6:6-7 records that God was sorry that he had made man on the earth
-    1 Sam 15:11,35 (see notes above re: 1 Sam 15:29)
-    In 2 Sam 24:16 God relents from destroying Jerusalem
-    Joel 2:13 again describes God as slow to anger and one who “relents over disaster”
-    In Jonah 3:9-10 it says that “When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it.”

We can conclude from these contrasting passages that when God describes himself as unchanging, he is referring to his essential character and not a complete set of predetermined actions, decisions, and events.

God himself never changes even though he may change his mind about a matter. In human terms, changing our minds about a matter may change us – for better or worse – since a change of mind often occurs after new evidence is discovered or a new insight realized. This of course is not the case for God since he knows all, and since he knows all there are no new insights for him to realize.

Questions

So if, as Grudem holds, God does not change but his “attitude or expression of intention” will change if the situation changes, this seems to call into question his foreknowledge of a given event.  An example of this is found in the story of the prophet Jonah in chapter 3, verse 10: “When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it.”

If God decides not to do something that he previously decided he would do, doesn’t he already know he is not actually going to do it from the beginning? How can God both know what will happen in the future and change his mind because of the actions of man?

In addition to this, if God knows or has predetermined what will happen in the future, why pray? John Piper addresses the issue as follows:

It is not the doctrine of God’s sovereignty which thwarts prayer for the conversion of sinners. On the contrary, it is the unbiblical notion of self-determination which would consistently put an end to all prayers for the lost. Prayer is a request that God do something. But the only thing God can do to save a lost sinner is to overcome his resistance to God. If you insist that he retain his self-determination, then you are insisting that he remain without Christ. For “no one can come to Christ unless it is given him from the Father” (John 6:65,44).

In Piper’s view then, when we pray we ask God to interrupt the depraved and rebellious self-determination of a sinner and then to cause him to turn to God. This makes some sense of the matter but still leaves the question of whether or not we have any input in the determination of our fate.

It is via this foothold that “open theism” climbs into the picture. “Open theism”, according to Piper, contends that “God has made himself ‘open’ to a future that is yet to be determined by both his and our choices. The ‘open’ future is largely indeterminate until God and his free creatures collaborate in forming it.” Passages such as Jonah 3:10 could certainly lead one to believe the same.

Summary

In summary, whether we believe that God has predetermined every action, decision, and event, or we believe that God determines the future I collaboration with out choices, his immutability God applies to those things in which we can place our faith: his promises. That God is sovereign and will on occasion change his mind according to his good purposes is not a matter that should decrease the confidence of our faith. That God might change his mind when we pray should be a matter of great comfort rather than a matter of disappointment or disillusionment.

Although we may not be able to reconcile the idea of foreknowledge on one hand, and changing his mind based on a change of circumstances on the other hand, surely both are taught in scripture and as such both must be believed.  His immutability is firmly taught in scripture, although not without some problematic passages.